tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post8033222384814050150..comments2023-10-30T07:54:27.317-04:00Comments on Allegiance and Duty Betrayed:: And I Will Not Sit With the Wickedjoaniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11914891807184694081noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-64220974869939476372007-10-08T20:19:00.000-04:002007-10-08T20:19:00.000-04:00The one we have reminds me more and more of Nero.I...<I>The one we have reminds me more and more of Nero.</I><BR/><BR/>I'd second that observation except that Bush ain't fiddling. He's busy plotting against those who put him in office. A busy man he is. No time to waste in implementing the NAU before the "common man" gets wind of the plan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-12243532294081871762007-10-08T20:14:00.000-04:002007-10-08T20:14:00.000-04:00Awesome essay. Awesome comments.Awesome essay. Awesome comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-89913123633246415332007-10-08T20:10:00.000-04:002007-10-08T20:10:00.000-04:00LOVE that dream, Cooper! But Nero hasn't got the ...LOVE that dream, Cooper! But Nero hasn't got the cojones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-41527505772126112432007-10-08T19:07:00.000-04:002007-10-08T19:07:00.000-04:00Looking at the photo of the Muslim dinner at the W...Looking at the photo of the Muslim dinner at the White House, a vision passed briefly across my mind.<BR/><BR/>In my dream, the White House chef and several helpers wheeled in an ornate cart carrying the main course, and with great flourish, removed the lid covering it.<BR/><BR/>There, on a silver platter, was the head of Osama bin Laden.<BR/><BR/>When I came back to reality, I realized that's what a *real* president would have done. The one we have reminds me more and more of Nero.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-63174068586440993472007-10-08T14:50:00.000-04:002007-10-08T14:50:00.000-04:00ROTFLMAO! Good one, Sam.ROTFLMAO! Good one, Sam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-75577255590692973542007-10-08T14:34:00.000-04:002007-10-08T14:34:00.000-04:00Sandy Burglar is now the national spokesman for th...Sandy Burglar is now the national spokesman for the US Underwear Manufacturers Association.<BR/><BR/>At the their last annual convention, Burglar gave the keynote speech.<BR/><BR/>When he stopped part way through his speech to reach inside inside his pants and adjust his briefs,<BR/>he received a five-minute standing ovation.<BR/><BR/>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-77958860627668259172007-10-08T13:03:00.000-04:002007-10-08T13:03:00.000-04:00When the Clintons get caught associating with crim...When the Clintons get caught associating with criminals, they keep their distance for a time (at least publicly) and then eventually resume "business as usual." They wouldn't know how to run their lives without committing crimes, and they often need help to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-80984215701685051092007-10-08T12:19:00.000-04:002007-10-08T12:19:00.000-04:00Surprise! Sandy Berger has been hired by the Clin...Surprise! Sandy Berger has been hired by the Clinton campaign. Not much of a news flash, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-15116311539165154032007-10-07T14:57:00.000-04:002007-10-07T14:57:00.000-04:00Yes, for the mentalities at the NY Times the musli...Yes, for the mentalities at the NY Times the muslim mass murder on 9-11<BR/><BR/>is equal to a bridge collapse in Minnesota or a hurricane in New Orleans.<BR/><BR/>I notice there is not a single appearance of the word 'muslim' in the entire, lengthy NY Times article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-66690485506192820932007-10-07T14:53:00.000-04:002007-10-07T14:53:00.000-04:00“It seems a little much to me to still be talking ...<B>“It seems a little much to me to still be talking about this six years later,”</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-4541767467462066722007-10-07T14:26:00.000-04:002007-10-07T14:26:00.000-04:00"It’s conceivable that it could be virtually forgo...<I>"It’s conceivable that it could be virtually forgotten,” said Dr. Bodnar, the history professor. “Does anyone go out on the streets of New York and commemorate the firing on Fort Sumter?”</I><BR/><BR/>Those who are students of the Civil War "commemorate" the firing on Ft. Sumter every year. And, if our school students were as learned as they should be in American history, they would be doing the same.<BR/><BR/>With that said, any comparison of the firing on Ft. Sumter and the holocaust that happened on 9/11 can only be done by a small, uninformed mind. Sumter may have been the small spark that ignited what was going to happen anyway, but the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon were in a completely different ballpark. Apples and oranges to say the least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-32198109064907874502007-10-07T13:56:00.000-04:002007-10-07T13:56:00.000-04:00The fact that it has to be "brought back" illustra...The fact that it has to be "brought back" illustrates the success the "news" media has in promoting what it promotes-----<BR/><BR/>while at the same time the "news" media blacks out what is not supposed to be known.<BR/>___________________________________<BR/><BR/><B>NEW YORK TIMES<BR/><BR/>A Debate Rises: How Much 9/11 Tribute Is Enough?</B> <BR/>By N. R. KLEINFIELD September 2, 2007 <BR/><BR/>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/nyregion/02fatigue.html?ei=5065&en=d4bae0c24379ce98&ex=1189310400&adxnnl=1&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1188704114-NX+BWsv5EtvsFzF9pU+Ykw<BR/><BR/>Again it comes, for the sixth time now — 2,191 days after that awful morning — falling for the first time on a Tuesday, the same day of the week.<BR/><BR/>Again there will be the public tributes, the <B>tightly scripted</B> memorial events, the <B>reflex</B> news coverage, the souvenir peddlers. <BR/><BR/>Is all of it necessary, at the same decibel level — still?<BR/><BR/>Each year, <B>murmuring</B> about <B>Sept. 11 fatigue</B> arises, a <B> weariness</B> of reliving a day that everyone wishes had never happened. It began before the first anniversary of the terrorist attack. By now, though, <B>many people</B> feel that the collective commemorations, publicly staged, are <B> excessive and vacant, even annoying.</B> <BR/><BR/>“I may sound callous, but doesn’t grieving have a shelf life?” said Charlene Correia, 57, a nursing supervisor from Acushnet, Mass. “We’re very sorry and mournful that people died, but there are living people. <B> Let’s wind it down.”</B> <BR/><BR/>Some people prefer to see things condensed to perhaps a moment of silence that morning and <B> an end to the rituals</B> like the long recitation of the names of the dead at ground zero. <BR/><BR/>But many others <B>bristle</B> at such talk, especially those who lost relatives on that day.<BR/><BR/>“The idea of scaling back just seems so offensive to me when you think of the monumental nature of that tragedy,” said Anita LaFond Korsonsky, whose sister Jeanette LaFond-Menichino died in the World Trade Center. “If you’re tired of it, don’t attend it; turn off your TV or leave town. To say six years is enough, it’s not. I don’t know what is enough.” <BR/><BR/>As the ragged nature of life pushes on, it is natural that the national <B>fixation</B> on an ominous event becomes ruptured and its anniversary starts to wear out. Once-indelible dates no longer even incite curiosity. On Feb. 15, how many turn backward to the sinking of the battleship Maine in 1898? <BR/><BR/><B>Few Americans give much thought anymore on Dec. 7 that Pearl Harbor was attacked</B> in 1941 (the date to live in infamy). Similar subdued attention is paid to other scarring tragedies: the Kennedy assassination (Nov. 22, 1963), Kent State (May 4, 1970), the Oklahoma City bombing (April 19, 1995). <BR/><BR/>Generations, of course, turn over. Few are alive anymore who can recall June 15, 1904, when 1,021 people died in the burning of the steamer General Slocum, the deadliest New York City disaster until Sept. 11, 2001. Also, the weight of new wrenching events crowds the national memory.<BR/><BR/><B>Already since Sept. 11, there have been Katrina and Virginia Tech.</B> And people have their own more circumscribed agonies. <BR/><BR/>“Commemoration aims to simplify, but life as it’s lived and feelings as they’re felt are never simple,” said John Bodnar, a <B>professor of history</B> at Indiana University. <BR/><BR/>The Sept. 11 attack may well have an unusually long resonance. It was a watershed moment in the nation’s history. And it is a tragedy named after a date. But the way it is recalled is sure to undergo editing.<BR/><BR/>For the first time this year at ground zero, the main ceremony will not be at the trade center site. Because of construction, the families will be allowed to pass onto the ground only momentarily, but the ceremony will be shifted to nearby Zuccotti Park, at Broadway and Liberty Street — its moving on somewhat of a metaphor for <B>the feelings of those who favor change.</B> <BR/><BR/>Sept. 11, of course, remains complicated by its unfinished contours — continuing worry over terrorism, the war in Iraq, a presidential race in which candidates repeatedly invoke the day and its portents. Episodes like the fire at the vacant Deutsche Bank building stir up haunting memories. Books rooted in the attack continue to arrive. <BR/><BR/>Some people are <B>troubled</B> by what they see as others’ taking advantage of the event. “Six years later, we can see that a lot of people have used 9/11 for some gain,” said Matt Brosseau, 27, of Westfield, N.J. He <B>sees the public tributes as “crassly corporatized and co-opted by false patriots.” </B><BR/><BR/>“Me personally, I wouldn’t involve myself in a public commemoration,” he said. “I don’t see the need for an official remembrance from the city or anyone else. In six years, is <B>Minneapolis</B> going to pay for something for the people who died in the <B>bridge collapse</B>?” <BR/><BR/>David Hendrickson, 56, a computer software trainer who lives in Manhattan, said he began being somewhat irritated by the attention to the commemoration on the third anniversary. “It <B>seems a little much to me to still be talking about this six years later</B>,” he said. “I understand it’s <B>a sad thing.</B> I understand it’s <B>a tragedy.</B> I’ve had my own share of tragedies — my uncle was killed in a tornado. But you get on. I have the sense that <B>some people are living on their victimhood,</B> which I find a little <B>tiring.</B>” <BR/><BR/>Mental health practitioners see a certain value in <B>the growing fatigue. </B><BR/><BR/>“It’s a good sign when people don’t need an anniversary commemoration or demarcation,” said <B>Charles R. Figley, the director of the Florida State University Traumatology Institute.</B> “And it’s not disrespectful to those who died.”<BR/><BR/><B>Laurie Pearlman, a clinical psychologist</B> in Massachusetts, said, “Our society has a very low tolerance for grief — it’s exhausting and unrelenting, and we don’t want to hear about it.”<BR/><BR/>Some of the relatives of those who died that day hold fast to the anniversary and are the most insistent that it not be dismantled.<BR/><BR/>“I would no sooner tell survivors of the Holocaust how to mourn or how to commemorate their atrocity, so why do others feel they have any right to dictate how family members should feel or memorialize our loved ones on Sept. 11 or any day, for that matter?” said Nancy Nee, whose brother George Cain died in the attack. “Six years feels like the blink of an eye. That number means nothing to me.” <BR/><BR/>Ms. Korsonsky has not attended any of the ceremonies at ground zero, but she has watched them on television. “I always have a lot of friends who watch it and then call me and tell me they listened for my sister’s name. I can’t tell you how much that means to me. She’s remembered for that one instant. I’m just so afraid that she’ll be forgotten.”<BR/><BR/>But even family members diverge over what should or should not happen on this anniversary of death. <BR/><BR/>Lesli Rice, 26, who works in insurance and lost her mother, Eileen Rice, on Sept. 11, thinks something respectful should occur on the anniversary — a tolling of church bells or a moment of silence — but that otherwise the event should be scaled back. “The grieving part has to be more personal,” she said. “The whole city wasn’t affected by my mother’s death.” <BR/><BR/>A hairdresser’s question told Nikki Stern something about her own sensibilities. Ms. Stern lost her husband, James Potorti, in the collapsing towers. Two years ago, her hairdresser mentioned that she was planning to marry on Sept. 11. It was a Sunday, a day that worked best for all involved. She was grasping for guidance: Was that all right?<BR/><BR/>Ms. Stern suggested that if it was the most convenient day, fine, but perhaps a portion of the wedding gifts could go to some charity.<BR/><BR/>“I thought that it was completely cool,” she said. “The last thing my husband would have wanted was for everyone to lie down and die.”<BR/><BR/>“I still get so many letters from people that even I suffer from 9/11 fatigue to some extent,” she said. “People who don’t want to do anything on 9/11, they shouldn’t be forced to. I never thought I’d say that.”<BR/><BR/>Part of the problem with remembrances is that people are unsure what is expected of them, said Rachel Yehuda, a <B>professor of psychiatry</B> at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine. “People wonder, ‘How sad am I supposed to feel? What do you expect me to do, because possibly I’ve gotten over it,’ ” she said. “We have to figure out how to commemorate other people’s grief. It’s a generic question we haven’t answered that goes beyond 9/11.” <BR/><BR/>An organization called myGoodDeed.org was begun last year to urge people to do something nice for Sept. 11, and, if they want, to post it on its Web site. “We asked what should 9/11 be 20 or 30 years from now, and the big concern is that people will become tired of conventional ceremonies,” said David Paine, president of the organization.<BR/><BR/>Some 150,000 deeds were posted last year, with more than 40,000 intentions clocked so far this year. One person chose to put quarters in expired parking meters. Another is knitting socks for soldiers. A boy said he would help his mother around the house and not torment his siblings.<BR/><BR/>Where you were, your proximity to the attack — these things shade your tie to the anniversary. On Sept. 11, Jonathan Zimmerman, a professor of history and education at New York University, was crossing Washington Square in Greenwich Village and was approached by a panhandler, whom he brushed off. The panhandler then said, “The World Trade Center is on fire.” <BR/><BR/>Dr. Zimmerman didn’t even look. Not until he got to his office did he find out it was truth. “I now pay more attention to what homeless people say,” he said.<BR/><BR/>Dr. Zimmerman knows that the N.Y.U. dynamic is now different, the undergraduates who were there during the attack gone, supplanted largely by students who did not see it and whose feelings are thus likely to be more varied. <BR/><BR/>“I’m quite troubled about all this talk of 9/11 fatigue,” he said. “It’s true that commemorations can take on bombastic and ritualistic forms that trivialize them, but 9/11 is with us every day. Every political issue in our times is refracted through this event. I can understand why some people are sick of hearing about it, but they should get used to it.”<BR/><BR/>It seems likely that attention to the anniversary will ebb and flow. <B>Events become artificially magnified</B> during 10-year, 25-year, 50-year demarcations.<BR/><BR/>What might happen on Sept. 11 a hundred years from now? <B>“It’s conceivable that it could be virtually forgotten,” said Dr. Bodnar, the history professor. “Does anyone go out on the streets of New York and commemorate the firing on Fort Sumter?”</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-71541247352797297192007-10-07T12:43:00.000-04:002007-10-07T12:43:00.000-04:00Thank you for telling me about this site, Jack. I...Thank you for telling me about this site, Jack. I will visit often!<BR/><BR/>This is an eye opening article, Joanie. I am looking forward to reading more of your current writing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-89873488661621948362007-10-07T00:25:00.000-04:002007-10-07T00:25:00.000-04:00That picture of the guy jumping out of the WTC is ...That picture of the guy jumping out of the WTC is awful. He looks like he's removed his shirt and the upper part of his body is burned. It brings it all back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-64013481019903515212007-10-06T21:11:00.000-04:002007-10-06T21:11:00.000-04:00How soon we forget.Disgusting pro-Nazi thread on F...How soon we forget.<BR/><BR/>Disgusting pro-Nazi thread on Free Republic :<BR/><BR/>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1907602/posts#41Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-85902352140240826552007-10-06T21:02:00.000-04:002007-10-06T21:02:00.000-04:00"I wonder how well C.A.I.R. was represented at the..."I wonder how well C.A.I.R. was represented at the dinner."<BR/><BR/>Ask Grover Norquist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-89460305438403325882007-10-06T09:29:00.000-04:002007-10-06T09:29:00.000-04:00I wonder how well C.A.I.R. was represented at the ...I wonder how well C.A.I.R. was represented at the dinner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-85534846605567541362007-10-06T09:28:00.000-04:002007-10-06T09:28:00.000-04:00During their "fellowship" I wonder if they discuss...During their "fellowship" I wonder if they discussed the principle of al-wala' wa'l-bara' (organizing the "believers" and being hostile toward disbelievers). It's one of the basic tenets of Islam, and one of the most important duties of true Muslims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-31086933209363023532007-10-06T09:23:00.000-04:002007-10-06T09:23:00.000-04:00An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping t...An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-91788853398548364522007-10-06T09:20:00.000-04:002007-10-06T09:20:00.000-04:00Well said.Well said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-50140884617192465632007-10-05T22:58:00.000-04:002007-10-05T22:58:00.000-04:00This is not your grandfather's America.Ain't it th...<B>This is not your grandfather's America.</B><BR/><BR/>Ain't it the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-74559426593808996172007-10-05T22:57:00.000-04:002007-10-05T22:57:00.000-04:00You should be a nationally syndicated columnist.You should be a nationally syndicated columnist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-72826509179708400082007-10-05T21:14:00.000-04:002007-10-05T21:14:00.000-04:00"The Muslim Brotherhood"- Ignore it at your peril:..."The Muslim Brotherhood"- Ignore it at your peril:<BR/><BR/>http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/fsalvato/10052007.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-86477043997584438902007-10-05T16:57:00.000-04:002007-10-05T16:57:00.000-04:00And we thought the cigar incident in the Oval Offi...<I>And we thought the cigar incident in the Oval Office was grotesque.</I><BR/><BR/>One involved lust and immorality, the other involves treasonous allegiances. As ugly as it is, we can survive the first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28785049.post-76126398182944801272007-10-05T16:03:00.000-04:002007-10-05T16:03:00.000-04:00You connected all the dots.You connected all the dots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com